[Tom The Bomb]

http://www.news.com....ory/0...5006301,00.html

What is a bit stupid though is this part:

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Mr Rann said the Government was "considering" banning P1 and P2 plated drivers from getting behind the wheel of high-powered cars.

What considers as high power? 6 cylinder? Supercharged 6 cylinder? Or 8 and up.

What was good though is this:

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two demerit points to replace licence disqualification for failing to display P-plates.

Because losing your lissenes because not displaying plates is stupid. If you store them on the outside people could easily steal them. And once one of my plates blew out the window. >_> (mind you i was going a bit over the speedlimit with all windows down lol)

The soon to be new laws for SA still arent as bad as other states though!

[trin]

That high powered rule has been introduced for a long time in other states. In NSW 8cylinder is ilegal.

[playa271]

I guess your going to have to bolt on those P plates somewhere..

[Nibbler]

As for keeping Plates stuck on the window, i found that double sided velcro worked well. Stick one part onto the window and the other to the plate. I can guarantee its 100 times better than Bluetac which is crappy and melts and makes a mess.

[VOOK]

The rules for what define high power have to be looked at very carefully. While a 4cyl Kia Rio may be low power it's not as safe as say a Volvo, which while is 8 cyl is not THAT powerful but extremely safe. You want drivers to be safe above all things, it's shitty cars that can cause more damage in the long run over power in some cases.

Engine mods such as Turbo, Supercharged etc should be out. That includes cars like the XR6 Turbo, S Supercharge Commodores, Skylines, Soarers etc but Turbo Diesel (assuming they are of low power like an Astra or Focus) can stay.

[playa271]

high powered cars driven by P platers @.@ watch out.

[PlasmaDavid]

VOOK, on Jan 1 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

but extremely safe.

To the person in it. I'd rather have an idiot P plater go splatter inside a crappy car and the bus they hit get out undamaged rather than have a V8 volvo tank plough through 3 orphenage buses and have them step out saying "wow good thing I drive a safe volvo! SAFE!"

[LordZod]

Hmm, in NSW, the rules are in regards to prohibited vehicles for P plate drivers the following:

RTA said:

Prohibited vehicles

The prohibited vehicle condition restricts provisional (P1 and P2) drivers from driving certain high performance vehicles. The condition applies to provisional licences issued on or after 11 July 2005. The scheme aims to prohibit young driver access to vehicles that are overrepresented in young driver crashes.

Prohibited vehicles are those with:

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Eight or more cylinders (except diesel).
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A turbocharged engine (except diesel).
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A supercharged engine (except diesel).
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Engine performance modifications.
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Certain high performance six cylinder engine vehicles or other vehicles as described in the publication Novice Drivers - High Performance Vehicle Restrictions.

The following vehicles are not prohibited vehicles and may be driven by provisional licence holders:

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Suzuki Cappuccino 2D Cabriolet Turbo 3 698cc (released between 1/01/1992 - 1/12/1997).
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Daihatsu Copen L880 2D Convertible Turbo 4 659cc (released from 1/10/2003).
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Smart vehicles (all models).

Just out of interest, what 17-20 year old unless they've either a) struck oil in their backyard or b) are daddy's big boy who needs a V8, has the money the money to fill up a V8 or similar? Even my uncle's V6 does between 14-17 l/100km... It just seems a tad useless...

[MLTZER]

im pretty sure in victoria its a power to weight ratio that defines if you can drive the card or not, as a V8 commodore will have less power than a V8 land cruiser, but the commodore will weigh less there for pound for pound the commodore has more power.

[railspider]

The no-P platers behind turbo/high-powered cars is a great rule.

[Vertigo v3]

Stupid, stupid and stupid.

Cars don't kill people, people kill PEOPLE and if people need to actually entertain the idea of being tempted by a high powered car, they shouldn't be on the roads in the first place. I would support the "raising" of the license to the age of 21 in all states, because it is a scientifically proven fact that a males brain isn't fully developed until at least the age of 19/20 but still, governments need to stop being a bunch of populist pansy's and start GOVERNING the states, instead of parenting the people that live in them.

I am SICK SICK SICK of the government doing the jobs that parents are supposed to be doing. Whether it's filtering the internet because parents are some-how incapable of walking into a shop, and buying a filter for their own computer because they are UNABLE to supervise their CHILDREN on the internet. Oh no, lets spare the parents of children because they are incapable of parenting and slap a mandatory filter on the internet, because face it. The WWW is a dangerous thing.

Same thing with cars. Parents are usually the ones that know there children the best, they are USUALLY the ones that take them around when practicing driving. If anything, it should be the parents that say NO to the children as they at least, would know if the child is mature enough when it comes to buying a car.

It is only with educating our youth, (and not some shitty 25 hour log book) that we will achieve SOME results!

Mandatory defensive driving. I believe is a much better and more worthwhile investment.

Oh, and get rid of E plates.

/RANT

In conclusion:

Government- But out.

Parents- Start Parenting

Children- Take responsibility for your OWN actions (god forbid)

Youtube Video ->Original Video

This post has been edited by Vertigo v3: 02 January 2009 - 05:59 PM

[PlasmaDavid]

Vertigo, you do understand that the Government will never be able to get that law passed allowing the instant on-sight shooting of "bad" parents?

That's why there are laws, because no matter how much you rant you'll never be able to convert every idiot in the nation. Whilst people like you plead with the general public to be aware and do the right thing, at the end of the day there's a whole bunch of people who need to have laws in the way (or to at least hopefully discourage\punish them) to stop them from killing other people via their own stupidity.

Also, you pretty much just blammed every aspect of the new-drivers sytem there without actually putting much useful in

[Etak]

How about we ban soccer mums in Jeeps?

They're the worst things on the roads ever.

Other than soccer mums in Dodges.

With custom number plates.

[Obscurus]

Vertigo v3, on Jan 2 2009, 06:40 PM, said:

Oh, and get rid of E plates.

Wait, what are E-plates?
I live near a guy who has them, and I just thought they were some poor drug referance. : /

[playa271]

I used to know. but I agree with vertigo government still should do more than just what the laws are laid as.

[Nibbler]

Obscurus, on Jan 2 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

Wait, what are E-plates?
I live near a guy who has them, and I just thought they were some poor drug referance. : /

People who have lost their licence but have been specially permitted to drive to and from work.

[MLTZER]

no i agree with the law. Its similar to the law about how powerful of a bike a a L plater can drive (well thats the case in VIC)

I agree, people do kill people..... but in this case the car is the weapon.

Edit: this is also another case of idiots who abuse the system and f*ck it up for everybody else

This post has been edited by MLTZER: 02 January 2009 - 07:09 PM

[railspider]

Vertigo v3, on Jan 2 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

Stupid, stupid and stupid.

Cars don't kill people, people kill PEOPLE and if people need to actually entertain the idea of being tempted by a high powered car, they shouldn't be on the roads in the first place. I would support the "raising" of the license to the age of 21 in all states, because it is a scientifically proven fact that a males brain isn't fully developed until at least the age of 19/20 but still, governments need to stop being a bunch of populist pansy's and start GOVERNING the states, instead of parenting the people that live in them.

I am SICK SICK SICK of the government doing the jobs that parents are supposed to be doing. Whether it's filtering the internet because parents are some-how incapable of walking into a shop, and buying a filter for their own computer because they are UNABLE to supervise their CHILDREN on the internet. Oh no, lets spare the parents of children because they are incapable of parenting and slap a mandatory filter on the internet, because face it. The WWW is a dangerous thing.

Same thing with cars. Parents are usually the ones that know there children the best, they are USUALLY the ones that take them around when practicing driving. If anything, it should be the parents that say NO to the children as they at least, would know if the child is mature enough when it comes to buying a car.

It is only with educating our youth, (and not some shitty 25 hour log book) that we will achieve SOME results!

Mandatory defensive driving. I believe is a much better and more worthwhile investment.

Oh, and get rid of E plates.

/RANT

In conclusion:

Government- But out.

Parents- Start Parenting

Children- Take responsibility for your OWN actions (god forbid)

Youtube Video ->Original Video

Too bad there's so many dropkick parents out there who are responsible for developing these dropkick teenage drivers. Like Plasma said; the only solution would be eliminating the parents - cutting the head off the snake as it were.

[/\nthony]

Youth these days eh? Causing all the problems in the world. All violent obese children who spend their doll money on booze while they speed around on the roads. When will they learn? When will they adopt the moral integrity of their overweight alcoholic parents who are quick to judge, get verbally abusive and speed home from work? When will the young find their own scapegoat?

What I find totally retarded is the 1 passenger rule in NSW after 11pm. Arent they supposed to be promoting designated drivers? What party ends before 11 at night? Thank your luck that SA has gotten this far without having such laws. Or that they arent any worse.

[Tom The Bomb]

Nibbler, on Jan 2 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

People who have lost their licence but have been specially permitted to drive to and from work.

Oh thats a good idea. In SA (and im guessing lots of other places) if you lose your liscense you can get it back in full, no "E" plates.

Its not just p platers in high powered vehicles that kill people. You could get up to 120ks in a '86 model Laser and kill yourself and anyone else.

And anyway, its newer, high powered cars that are safer for you. Getting an old 4 cylander car that has no safety mechanisms like ABS and airbags are alot more dangerious.

Lighter cars are more dangerous too, they crunch up easy in a car accident, yet a big bulky commo wont.

[ENKC]

The tragic thing about E Platers is that these people are often such scum to begin with that they still don't get the message and drive properly on them. I've seen E Platers doing the most ridiculous and reckless things, and I've just wondered if they have two neurons to rub together.

[PlasmaDavid]

Tom The Bomb, on Jan 2 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Oh thats a good idea. In SA (and im guessing lots of other places) if you lose your liscense you can get it back in full, no "E" plates.

Its not just p platers in high powered vehicles that kill people. You could get up to 120ks in a '86 model Laser and kill yourself and anyone else.

And anyway, its newer, high powered cars that are safer for you. Getting an old 4 cylander car that has no safety mechanisms like ABS and airbags are alot more dangerious.

Lighter cars are more dangerous too, they crunch up easy in a car accident, yet a big bulky commo wont.

Again. So we want P platers driving tanks, so they don't get hurt when they plough through a truck full of kittens?

I think not, stick P platers in the flimsiest cars there are so if they're going to crash from stupid driving they'll only kill themselves.

[MLTZER]

Tom The Bomb, on Jan 2 2009, 11:45 PM, said:

And anyway, its newer, high powered cars that are safer for you. Getting an old 4 cylander car that has no safety mechanisms like ABS and airbags are alot more dangerious.

Sorry Tom going to have to disagree with you there. Yeah newer cars are safer IF your an experienced driver. It alot easier for a hot headed teen to loose control in a powerful V8 then a under powered 4 cyc. Thats the issue, its not so much how safe a car is but how powerful it is. Dont matter how safe a car is, if you loose control of it and smash into a tree or pole your chances of walking away un hurt are always going to be slim. You have to also think of other people on the roads.

[Tom The Bomb]

You just disagree for the sake of it, you always do.

Im not talking about POWER, im talking about car SAFETY.

Heres the road tolls for SA.

2008 - 99?
2007 - 125
2006 - 117
2005 - 147
2004 - 139
2003 - 156
2002 - 154
2001 - 153
2000 - 167
1990 - 226
1980 - 271
1970 - 349
1960 - 234
1950 - 170

Look how high it is in the 60s, 70s and up until the 2000's when it gets WAY lower. Very few younger people drive around in older cars these days too. Most people's first car will be a cheap, old one but once they get their p's they'll get a newer car.

Kids dont change, young people have always liked to drive around and show off. Doesn't matter what type of car you have or what type of power, you're going to do burnouts, show off and speed. So if your going to do it its better to do it in a safer car.

[MLTZER]

Tom I disagree (lol, im just playin)

but yes i understand your talking about safety and not power. But the gov's issue is car power not safety. But you cannot say that those road tolls are linked directly to the age of the car, theres, driver education in the form of better licensing tests, better lit up roads, better signed roads, also better quality roads, not to mention advertisements in the media. Those numbers also dont state the age of each driver.

Just because a gun has a safety switch does not make it safe for a kid to play with.