[Tom The Bomb]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...5006301,00.html

A guy drove out into a red light to make it so an ambulance could get past, the court wouldn't wave his fine. What is Australia coming to? What happened to "helping your fellow man". Will Australians just turn into Americans and only care about their family and friends and not give a f*ck about anyone else just because they could get a fine if they did?

What if the man just sat there instead of moving out the way, and it was your family member or you in desperate need. That extra 2-3 minuites is life threatening.

[Equinox]

He should be commended, not fined.
At least he made the effort to get out of the way, unlike so many other people who think they 'own the road'. And their little trip down to the shops is more pressing than an ambulance.

Equinox.

[MLTZER]

see i was under the impression that if you had an police/fire truck/ambo behind you and they had there lights on that you can do anything you can to get out of there way, that involves speeding and red lights.

[Nibbler]

That's ridiculous.
The traffic superintendents name should be Mark Unfairney.

[Tom The Bomb]

MLTZER, on Dec 29 2008, 10:56 AM, said:

see i was under the impression that if you had an police/fire truck/ambo behind you and they had there lights on that you can do anything you can to get out of there way, that involves speeding and red lights.

Not anymore, the "law" comes first before someones life.

[PlasmaDavid]

Old news (thread title I mean)

All we can do is try to keep the world sane in our day-to-day lives and on the long scale do battle with the stupid elements of society like this.

[playa271]

Tom The Bomb, on Dec 29 2008, 10:30 AM, said:

Not anymore, the "law" comes first before someones life.

f*ck the law. whoever filed it through is a f*ckhead. seriously.

[LordZod]

That's just ridiculous. I know no one is meant to be above the law, but common law also dictates that the judge can make allowances in each specific case. At least... I think that's what I remember...

[DarkLightDragon]

I haven't even read the article, but that REALLY pisses me off. Stupid laws.

[morzag]

Quote

"I don't blame the police. I guess I can understand where they are coming from because you can't see the ambulance in the photo, I'm just disappointed."

From this line, it sounds like the photo was the only evidence available meaning that the guy screwed up by not getting evidence of his own. He should have at least been able to get ambulance records that supported his claim. Maybe the result would have been different if he had been able to prove his case.

Also, the end of the article indicates that the case hasn't been taken to court which is where exemptions can be made for particularly unusual circumstances. I don't think police have any authority over the matter once a photo has been taken. In NSW at least, it's in the RTA's hands from that point and they're only able to alter the fine for specific circumstances. That's where it gets frustrating because court is an expensive process and likely outside of the man's means.

[Tom The Bomb]

morzag, on Dec 29 2008, 02:13 PM, said:

From this line, it sounds like the photo was the only evidence available meaning that the guy screwed up by not getting evidence of his own. He should have at least been able to get ambulance records that supported his claim. Maybe the result would have been different if he had been able to prove his case.

I read that the ambulances arent going to help with the case and they dont do it with any case.

And also, the Ambulance would have gone through the red light too, so there would be a photo taken of that as well so the driver of the ambulance would have gotten a red light fine too.

[stuart]

If he gets let off, alot of other people might start going through red lights because of "emergency services" and because he got off with no photographical evidence, every one else will have to be tried the same way. They just seem to be trying to prevent opening a whole different can of worms where other people will lie to get out of their fine.

Even though this bloke is being honest and he was doing the right thing, it could cause a problematic precedent where people start to bullshit for their own personal gain and I can see why they're taking the stance they are.

[trin]

I'd say we have become more like china and all- with the internet filtering and sh!t in the works.

[playa271]

stuart, on Dec 29 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

If he gets let off, alot of other people might start going through red lights because of "emergency services" and because he got off with no photographical evidence, every one else will have to be tried the same way. They just seem to be trying to prevent opening a whole different can of worms where other people will lie to get out of their fine.

Even though this bloke is being honest and he was doing the right thing, it could cause a problematic precedent where people start to bullshit for their own personal gain and I can see why they're taking the stance they are.

I can totally understand, but the fact that the ambulance saw what he did; and was not used as eye witness evidence is very upsetting. whether the person bullshits or not, the people in the ambulance surely would have a significant sway to obliterate any bullshit in the end.

[NinjaDead]

If it wasnt for the idiots who speed and get people killed with our terriable road accident records then our laws wouldnt have to be so strict.

[Tom The Bomb]

ninjadead, on Dec 30 2008, 01:03 AM, said:

If it wasnt for the idiots who speed and get people killed with our terriable road accident records then our laws wouldnt have to be so strict.

[NinjaDead]

Well it's true. Freaking 9 people died on WA roads during the christmas period...and that's the "average".

[Tom The Bomb]

why does it matter if its christmas. people have car accidents, people die. its LIFE. I dont think people speeding and sh!t has anything to do with an old man going over a red light to make an ambulance go past that is saving a life. so keep on topic.

[NinjaDead]

Because the christmas holidays represent a period, and its usually the worse time of the year.

Road accidents & deaths do have something to do with the red light, if traffic accidents wearnt so bad then the law would be more flexiable with this case.

[Tom The Bomb]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

No they woudlnt. They are being tight asses, just like you.

LOOSEN UP

[djkizza]

MLTZER, on Dec 29 2008, 11:26 AM, said:

see i was under the impression that if you had an police/fire truck/ambo behind you and they had there lights on that you can do anything you can to get out of there way, that involves speeding and red lights.

I was under the impression you had to do everything legally possible to get out of their way, not including red lights and speeding...

Edit:

trin, on Dec 29 2008, 03:58 PM, said:

I'd say we have become more like china and all- with the internet filtering and sh!t in the works.

If we were becoming more like China, they would have said "Hey you went through a red light" and the driver would have said, "Yeah, so?"

This post has been edited by djkizza: 30 December 2008 - 04:26 PM

[Etak]

Tom The Bomb, on Dec 29 2008, 10:21 AM, said:

What is Australia coming to? What happened to "helping your fellow man". Will Australians just turn into Americans and only care about their family and friends and not give a f*ck about anyone else just because they could get a fine if they did?

These sorts of generalised posts are silly. Also I really don't like all this "WORLD IS GOIN TO sh!t" rubbish. I'm pretty sure the world never was rosy. You live in a better world than this fictionalised past you refer to. Like I said before, AT LEAST WE DON'T GOT MONGRORIANS NO MOAR!

The problem is bureaucracy, not people, SRSLY. Go call Today Tonight or something.

[Tom The Bomb]

Australia is turning to sh!t though... You cant see that?

I can picture in 20 years I wont be able to stand living here, if I still am.

[NinjaDead]

Yeah I don't believe that sh!t either, the media makes everything more negative than what it is because "theres no news like bad news".

[(Chibi) ^-^ (Nation)]

Why did you say America >_> Pretty sure there are worse countries.