[Jye]

I just got a phone call from my cousin, and he tells me that their is a rumor of a Wii HD (basically Wii 2) floating in cyber-space...

Anyone got any news of this?

[Excite]

A high-definition successor to the Wii has been rumoured for quite a long time actually. Funny you should mention it now because Nintendo of America boss Reggie Fils-Aime today reiterated the fact that Nintendo isn't ready for it yet. We're not gonna see a Wii 2 for a long time - think about it, we're still waiting for new info/games for the Vitality Sensor.

This post has been edited by ExciteD: 11 March 2010 - 05:27 PM

[The Prophet]

Well it's obvious that you're new here so welcome. Seems like this is news to you mate. I wish it was a reality but it seems that Nintendo, being money hungry as ever (even though I love them heaps) won't give in to hardcore demand. From a business perspective it's the right thing to do but from a gamer's perspective it's leaving us Nintendo fans behind in terms of HD.

But look at it this way, it doesn't make sense to market an HD version of the Wii in countries were HD TV take-up is low. In Australia HD TV take up is getting higher but we're only 22 million people, with an over 1 million Wii install base here. You just can't make NOJ enough money if you only have a few select regions were it is sold. I can't speak for other DVB countries like the UK, but I'm assuming HD take up is on the rise too as plasma's and LCD's become more affordable.

Although 1080p will eventually become the minimum standard for digital TV, for the time being it's being used by Sony to make more money. If you buy a PS3 which is $500 here, Sony marketing will imply that to get the most out of the PS3 you have to buy one of their Full HD tv's which average from $1000 - $4000. Sony don't really care about gamers, they care about how much money they can squeeze out of you.

Nintendo's sole business is video games, SCE is just a branch from the evil multinational corporation/conglomerate called Sony, made to capitalize on the success of the video game industry which Nintendo revived from the mid 80's game crash and made it popular again. I think that Vook was right in one of his tweets that most Nintendo games have a soul if you get my drift.

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[Akiyo]

The Prophet, on 11 March 2010 - 08:17 PM, said:

hardcore demand.

Wii HD =/= Hardcore demand.

[Jye]

To be honest, I heard this some time last year, but thought it was a load of bull, so I ignored it, but my cousin follows this stuff like the Pope does to the Catholic Church, so I thought I might ask around

[benanen]

The Prophet, on 11 March 2010 - 07:47 PM, said:

Sony don't really care about gamers, they care about how much money they can squeeze out of you.

Mind you, Nintendo make you need to buy a new peripheral every six months... [/slight exaggeration]

And the Xmas Bravia+PS3 deals aren't bad if you want a TV over 40" (or whatever it is.) I know they still get more cash out of you, but Bravias aren't anything to sneeze at.

Wasn't there a WiiHD thread already?

[The Prophet]

Come to think of it there is, but thread's probably dead anyway, let's just replace it with this one.

[indevelopment]

Nintendo's core audience are kids and parents, always has been always will be. "Hardcore" is just the cream for them, the pure profit. Nintendo does not lose money on console hardware, they are a systematic business whose primary objective is to make profit and look after the needs of the shareholder.

They are happy to let the Sonys and Microsofts hit the bleeding edge because their products lose money. Microsoft spent $1B USD I'm sure I've read even before the RROD debacle on the 2 generations of Xbox, Sony lost a bundle on the PS3 and PSP whilst Nintendo popped out the #1 console of the generation because not only could everyone play it, it could plug into your telly out of the box. No HDMI, no compent, just the little yellow plug on all our TVs (except the really ancient ones).

The DS is proof that when Nintendo are ready, they'll change the hardware to suit the needs of the time but at the moment, there's no real need to eat into the sales that the reliable and money making wii is generating. I mean, it's still got it's original bundle in place (even in black, it's the same wii sports packin).

[playa271]

as I've always posted before. we'll find out about a wii2 depending on the success of MS's Natal and Sony's ping-pong stick.

[Jye]

I think that the Natal and the Playstation Move will both crash and burn with a heap of promotional fireworks, mainly because the Wii has already taken the WHOLE scene of next-gen control schemes. As much as I love the PS3 and 360's graphic capabilities, it wont gel with the free movement control.In order for a free moving control scheme, you really need (dare I say) childish graphics, as opposed to the intense graphics of the PS3 and the 360, where high level graphics just wont feel right with a really in depth scene. Weaker graphics is part of the Wii's charm, it makes it what it is, and brings a lot more appeal to non-gamers as it doesn't make them feel like idiots when they look at basic graphics and understand what is going on. (Like trying to show an older person HL2, they just fell asleep)

[morzag]

Jye, on 11 March 2010 - 11:34 PM, said:

(Like trying to show an older person HL2, they just fell asleep)

Yeah, it has that effect on me too.

I wouldn't argue that weaker graphical capabilities is a strength for the Wii. It keeps the price down, but that's all. If a particular game happened to work better with simpler graphics, there's nothing stopping from that game being made with such graphics regardless of the strength of the hardware it's being run on.

[The Prophet]

So us hardcore gamers aren't on Nintendo's agenda much anymore cause of the money?

[PlasmaDavid]

There's already a thread on this guys

[Akiyo]

PlasmaDavid, on 12 March 2010 - 05:16 PM, said:

There's already a thread on this guys

Even though the joke's been made, I lol'd pretty hard.

[benanen]

I lol'd too. Actually I was spitting chips for a second...

[trin]

Man I wish this thread had been made on NeoGAF.

[John Wayne Gacy]

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Sony don't really care about gamers, they care about how much money they can squeeze out of you.

The last sentence is true of most big companies - Nintendo included. At the moment Nintendo are churning out all these simple casual titles, or inferior titles that sell well due to nostalgia (NSMBWii), with a small sprinkling of traditional type games with added on motion controls. Are they doing this because they care about gamers? They do this because they want to expanding the market. The more people buying your products the more money you are raking in!

Anyhoo, if the Wii HD were true and it had games similar to what we are seeing now but with shinier graphics then I can't say I'm interested. The fundamental problem with the Wii is not its graphical capabilities - it's that there's not enough decent games that utilise the Wii remote effectively.

This post has been edited by John Wayne Gacy: 13 March 2010 - 07:56 AM

[indevelopment]

John Wayne Gacy, on 13 March 2010 - 08:52 AM, said:

Anyhoo, if the Wii HD were true and it had games similar to what we are seeing now but with shinier graphics then I can't say I'm interested. The fundamental problem with the Wii is not its graphical capabilities - it's that there's not enough decent games that utilise the Wii remote effectively.

My thought too, I mean aside from WiiSports, WarioWare Smooth Moves and Tiger Woods, most of my regularly played games are with a traditional control set.

Tiger Woods 2011 (or will that be John Daly 2011) will look stunning on Xbox/PS3. What else though.. Little Big Waggle 2 or Halo: Waggle Wars?

[benanen]

John Wayne Gacy, on 13 March 2010 - 09:52 AM, said:

or inferior titles that sell well due to nostalgia (NSMBWii)

That's a little harsh. People really put time and energy into that game, its got some amazing level design and plenty of replay value.

John Wayne Gacy, on 13 March 2010 - 09:52 AM, said:

it's that there's not enough decent games that utilise the Wii remote effectively.

Well that problem is going to go multi-platform now... [See: Sony Move / Microsoft Natal] Or it will burn out and become tacky: Who wants to make punching in a video game exactly the same as in real life? Just buy a punching bag and get fit for less.

[John Wayne Gacy]

benanen, on 13 March 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

That's a little harsh. People really put time and energy into that game, its got some amazing level design and plenty of replay value.

Maybe. I'm not saying it felt rushed or anything or was full of glitches, but it's very 'much of the same' and people throw around the word 'nostalgic!!!" to justify this. Inferior was the wrong word to use. It's not 'inferior', it's just nothing special.

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Well that problem is going to go multi-platform now... [See: Sony Move / Microsoft Natal] Or it will burn out and become tacky: Who wants to make punching in a video game exactly the same as in real life? Just buy a punching bag and get fit for less.

Definitely. Motion controls may have a place in gaming, but I don't think it's the future.

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[benanen]

John Wayne Gacy, on 13 March 2010 - 10:13 AM, said:

Definitely. Motion controls may have a place in gaming, but I don't think it's the future.

I know a few years ago people were jokingly saying "Nintendo will return to the ways of old when everyone copies the Wii etc." But, they could easily kick some serious arse by doing that at just the right time. The unhappy 360/PS3 owners might just jump ship if a new Nintendo console came out with traditional controls.

And as and aside, I think if a WiiHD, or in essence a Wii point five comes out it will suck, and Nintendo will lose money, and be constantly playing catch-up.

[indevelopment]

But I have so many plastic shells that I want to carry over to the next generation!

[Akiyo]

I think that the multiplayer was the only really great thing about New Super Mario Bros. Wii. The length and difficulty of it really let me down (Actually, it's another game I've completed 100%. I'll have to add that to the "Games you have defeated" thread) and when you have nobody else to play with it can really get boring quickly. =(

[benanen]

indevelopment, on 13 March 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

But I have so many plastic shells that I want to carry over to the next generation!

The handcannons are, admittedly, awesome. And the Wii Wheel is okay.

Akiyo, on 13 March 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

I think that the multiplayer was the only really great thing about New Super Mario Bros. Wii. The length and difficulty of it really let me down (Actually, it's another game I've completed 100%. I'll have to add that to the "Games you have defeated" thread) and when you have nobody else to play with it can really get boring quickly. =(

Me being mostly a lone gamer, (i.e. nobody in the house is keen on it.) I found it to be quite the opposite. Maybe I just played bite sized, but last weekend I played for nearly four hours.

This post has been edited by benanen: 13 March 2010 - 09:01 AM