[benanen]

Leaving aside the LOLs, OMGs, WTFs, and FTWs... I felt like making a topic of deep discussion...

Does anyone ever ponder our existence in the universe, or whether we are alone in it? Is there a greater power then ourselves? Are we perhaps somethings giant play set?

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I personally don't really believe in God, and I reckon we evolved from monkeys. But if scientists think something like the Big Bang did occur then how did the nothingness become somethingness? Some enormous power must have caused it...

I have no doubt that there are other intelligent forms of life out there, but with our (perhaps inferior) technology we haven't yet discovered them. Have they discovered us?

What is everyone elses opinion on this kind of stuff?

Hope this will be a good discussion and i don't get flamed...

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[Equinox]

Good topic, Benanen.
I agree with the you on the point of 'how did nothing become something...'

But it might not have been 'nothing'. It might have been nothing but so and so...

Now all we need is a 'Is Time Travel Possible?' thread to do all our heads in,
Equinox.

[LurkerJC]

the big bang theory...
lets just say i have all the parts that make up my wrist watch, i drop all of these parts on the floor, and they all bounce perfectly into place to create the watch..
watch parts bieng the energy/matter, the drop and impact is the bang and the watch is our planet, life and the universe...
now then it seems nearly impossible already, but...
if nothing exploded into everything lets just take away the watch parts...

i do belive in god, but not just because the church and my family tell me to, i realy just do not see how the universe or our planet could be created in any other way... i refuse to belive that our existance is the product of a realisticly imposible chance.

[ENKC]

Actually, current scientific theory suggests a 'big bounce', wherein what we think of as the 'big bang' was just part of a continuing cycle. The problem with trying to imagine what might have happened 'before' then is problematic, because if what we know as time was created at the big bang, there is no such thing as 'before' it. You could fill an encyclopedia with these kinds of questions that scientists are presently grappling with.

As for me, I don't believe that evolution or anything else discovered excludes the possibility of God. You'd first have to decide precisely what you think 'God' is. If a microbe is incapable of comprehending the existence of the body of the larger creature in which it lives, and an ant cannot comprehend the enormity of the planet it inhabits, why should there not be corresponding limits on the extent to which our intelligence can comprehend our universe? What if there are beings who are to us as we are to bacteria?

[benanen]

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the big bang theory...
lets just say i have all the parts that make up my wrist watch, i drop all of these parts on the floor, and they all bounce perfectly into place to create the watch..
watch parts bieng the energy/matter, the drop and impact is the bang and the watch is our planet, life and the universe...
now then it seems nearly impossible already, but...
if nothing exploded into everything lets just take away the watch parts...

That is such a good way of describing it. And if there were watch parts something must have dropped them. And if there was really 'nothing' there still must have been something to make the watch. 'God'

So agree that if there was a 'beginning' there must be a greater power that creates, and that idea is certainly easier to get one's head around.

Maybe that is perhaps why it is a great ongoing debate, because believing in a singular greater power is seen as too easy... There's a thought; what if there are multiple enormous incomprehensible forces that vie for control.

I guess the time travel thing can come in here, because if there never was a 'start' and everything just 'is' not 'was' or 'became so' and everything just continually revolves alongside itself.

[Obscurus]

We are here to breed, and mould a child into someone far greater then yourself.

[benanen]

That may be true, but we are talking volcano deep, not teaspoon deep... The bigger picture. Although I can't argue with that grin...

This post has been edited by benanen: 24 January 2009 - 04:52 PM

[trin]

The latest New Sientist magazine had some interesting views which pretty much were in relation to the universe etc.
I recomend people who are interested in this topic to subscribe to the magazine- as its an interesting read.

One such section was something about are we a hallowgram prejected from the edge of the universe.

[PlasmaDavid]

*facepalm* Not one of these...

I reakon we're all here made in Gods image, by God, in order to live, love and be loved as His creations. 'Course man screwed that bit up with the sin and all, but we have a way out of seperation from God via Christ. That's my view at least.

Much better than something like "LOL NO REASON AT ALL" I like to think anyway.

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[trin]

PlasmaDavid, on Jan 24 2009, 08:39 PM, said:

*facepalm* Not one of these...

I reakon we're all here made in Gods image, by od, in order to live, love and be loved as His creations. 'Course man screwed that bit up with the sin and all, but we have a way out of seperation from God via Christ. That's my view at least.

Much better than something like "LOL NO REASON AT ALL" I like to think anyway.

Uh huh.

To bad humans are pretty dam evil creatures- and if we are in gods image- then god must be evil.

[PlasmaDavid]

Didn't read the part about sin huh? Yeah, evil in the world = mans fault : \

[Tom The Bomb]

All i knows is that the WWE universe is made up of EVERYTHING God (vince mcmahon) made.

[benanen]

On topic please. I was hoping for serious posts only.

[PlasmaDavid]

Heh that's a bit much to ask for, seeing how open ended the actual topic is. Tom could very well seriously believe *soemthing to do with wrestling and the reason of existance*

[benanen]

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Heh that's a bit much to ask for, seeing how open ended the actual topic is. Tom could very well seriously believe *soemthing to do with wrestling and the reason of existance*

Fair enough. But I don't think he seriously does, and besides, he said 'WWE universe' not WWE in the universe. He can talk about vince mcmahon on the pro wrestling thread.

This post has been edited by benanen: 24 January 2009 - 06:33 PM

[gniwij]

I noticed one of the site adds is related to biblical hebrew texts. Something to do with this?

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I reakon we're all here made in Gods image, by od, in order to live, love and be loved as His creations. 'Course man screwed that bit up with the sin and all, but we have a way out of seperation from God via Christ. That's my view at least.

I have the same view. Plus, it's always better to believe god is real, because if you didn't and he is, then your goin to hell. And something like religion I feel (you might not), gives your life a little more purpose.

And how could something like the big bang and our existence, all just be some chance accident. It's all just so unlikely, its hard to believe we are just accidents.
And if that were the case, well, that would suck. Its like if your parents said you were just an accident, they never really wanted/intended to have you. And look at the universe, you may think it's just some chaotic mess, but its not. It's all actually very orderly, as seen through 'the universal language', maths, which seems to be able to relate almost everything. Surely some mastermind placed everything to work like this? Of course, like i said, we could just be a huge accident.

[Tom The Bomb]

benanen, on Jan 24 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

Fair enough. But I don't think he seriously does, and besides, he said 'WWE universe' not WWE in the universe. He can talk about vince mcmahon on the pro wrestling thread.

So I have to ask you for permission to post my thoughts now?

*points at spammer award*

[benanen]

Wouldn't man have invented maths? Just like conversation etc.

I could envisage how the first human beings learned that the 'spiky plant hurts' and eventually pinpointing the hurt to the spiky shape of the plant, and then eventually applying that rule to anything that looked similarly sharp.

Probably a bad example but anyway...

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Fair enough. But I don't think he seriously does, and besides, he said 'WWE universe' not WWE in the universe. He can talk about vince mcmahon on the pro wrestling thread.

So I have to ask you for permission to post my thoughts now?

*points at spammer award* p.gif

sure

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[PlasmaDavid]

gniwij, on Jan 24 2009, 07:34 PM, said:

Plus, it's always better to believe god is real, because if you didn't and he is, then your goin to hell.

I don't think someone can truly have their faith through this system >_> Though with any luck it's what introduces them to the faith, and then actually really converts them...

Also I didn't get that maths part, and it probably doesn't make sense >_>

[Tom The Bomb]

... You dont go to hell just because you dont "believe in a god" where the f*ck does anything say that? If there is a god he would know your just believeing in him to go to heaven, so thats just a stupid way to think of it.

You go to heaven if you've lived a good life, you go to hell if you havent.

[Obscurus]

PlasmaDavid, on Jan 24 2009, 06:48 PM, said:

Didn't read the part about sin huh? Yeah, evil in the world = mans fault : \

But didn't God make man perfect, as they were in his image? Therfore, anything man did, was a direct result of how God made them. Also, God knew they would screw up, as he is all knowing. So anything he told them would have been reduntant. Seems like a bit of a jerk, to me. On that note, it was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Guess what, God wanted them to be blind and follow him ignorantly, as so it states over and over.

God of the Bible is by far the most evil thing in this or the next world.


EDIT: No, Tom. Bible states only believers of God can go to heaven. So if you worked hard to save other peoples lives for your living life, God wouldent care, as you are to him Athiest Scum, and he'd rather see you stoned. You could give all your money to charity, be the most kind and generous man in the world, and you'd still end up in hell.
Worshiping God to not go to hell is the same as swearing allegance to Hitler to keep out of the concentration camps.

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[benanen]

I kinda don't want a massive religious/atheist debate here, although forums are for discussion. But can everyone please be mindful that there is no correct or incorrect statements and that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. All I mean is can we just try not to tread too hard on anyone's toes please.

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Plus, it's always better to believe god is real, because if you didn't and he is, then your goin to hell.

To be fair though, isn't that the view taken by people who believe in God? Because if you don't believe in God you don't believe in Hell, right?

But no one knows what happen when you die, so we can only guess.

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[PlasmaDavid]

benanen, on Jan 24 2009, 08:07 PM, said:

To be fair though, isn't that the view taken by people who believe in God?

No >_> People who "believe in God" recognise and worship God as the creator of everything and the reason everything exists. It's not possible for someone to truly believe in a diety "because just in case it's true I might as well".

[indevelopment]

Nice theme.

I'm an athiest, I don't think there is a god but I haven't ruled out a lot of unexplained phenomenia. I just don't think that we have discovered everything. I believe that there, while maybe not psychics as such, there are people that are far more attuned to reading things than others.

I believe there are energies yet to be 'discovered'.

I don' think we are alone in the universe and I really do hope we discover some proof of life, intelligent or otherwise in my life time. Hell, even vegitation would do. I hope that space exploration continues, I loved last years digs on Mars.

What came before/exists outside our universe/will end our universe will give artists, scientists, stoners and romanticists a common ground too, which is always a good thing.