[popolopolous]

Why is it that everyone makes this big fuss over men being sexist towards women, when all the time women are being just as sexist towards men? I remember a thread made by someone talking about being kicked out of an aerobics club lobby cause he was male, and I cop a lot of flak for being one of two male employees at the place I work And the other one is in the bar. It goes so far that I am constantly referred to as a girl, despite my obvious non-girliness.

Anyone else encounter woman > man sexism?

[Akiyo]

popolopolous, on Jan 11 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Why is it that everyone makes this big fuss over men being sexist towards women, when all the time women are being just as sexist towards men? I remember a thread made by someone talking about being kicked out of an aerobics club lobby cause he was male, and I cop a lot of flak for being one of two male employees at the place I work And the other one is in the bar. It goes so far that I am constantly referred to as a girl, despite my obvious non-girliness.

Anyone else encounter woman > man sexism?

It probably has something to do with the fact that almost all guys are obsessed with sex, and will do whatever it takes to improve their chances of getting it.

[PlasmaDavid]

I can't wait for NHs response to this thread.

[LordZod]

Not so much direct "reverse" sexism, but I do get the feeling that females are preferred for casual/part time work, which makes sense (as Obs put it, I'm fairly sure we'd all rather a chick handling our foot long at Subway ) but annoys me continually- people should be hired on their suitability for the job, not their gender.

Also, what about when you open the door for a lass, and they don't say thanks or smile or even say nothing at all, but look at you like "OMG I CAN OPEN MY OWN DOOR WE HAVE RIGHTS AND STUFF GTFO" and might even chuck in a rather harsh comment. Errr... Just trying to be nice... Righto...

[stuart]

This may seem sexist, but the society seems to still believe that women are the fairer sex and thus they be treated as such when it comes to how they're treated by men and compared to men.

Man and woman who are equally skilled but the man gets the job? DESCRIMINATION.

Woman hits a man, no big fuss. Man hits a woman, F*CKING WIFE BASHER TIME FOR COURT.

It's things like this that piss me off, some women want to be treated exactly like men but want all the shitty bits we have to put up with left out.

"LordZod" said:

Also, what about when you open the door for a lass, and they don't say thanks or smile or even say nothing at all, but look at you like "OMG I CAN OPEN MY OWN DOOR WE HAVE RIGHTS AND STUFF GTFO" and might even chuck in a rather harsh comment. Errr... Just trying to be nice... Righto...

That's a great one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with some women. You open it? "I CAN DO IT MYSELF KTHANX DO YOU THINK IM USELESS GO AWAY" You don't open it? "OMG UR AN ASSHOLE F*CK OFF FOR NOT OPENING THE DOOR."

WOMEN MAKE ME F*CKING FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF SOMETIMES

[Obscurus]

*sees Poopi reading this thread, should probably wait for feminine input, but NAHHH*

I'd love to disagree with you Popo, but I do know exactly what you mean.

Women are often treated better and less harshly then men. Things that would seem okay to do to guys, would seem grotesque to do a woman.

[PlasmaDavid]

And? Women are the weaker of the sex, they're different from guys. That's how it is. Of course there's things that guys and girls can and should be equal, but then again there's things that a difference of action\reaction are expected and make sense.

[flamecondor]

I work in a call center, I wouldn't call it an office or anything but they want smart business wear most of the time. Now this rule seems to more or less apply on to men. Girls cane come in wearing T-Shirts and shorts, 3 quarter lengths whatever. But guys have to wear full length pants, smart business shirts and so on. I call bullshit on this, the official dress code they have at work says smart business dress for both, yet girls get let off. Every time I ask would I be able to wear shorts in cause its gonna be 37 degrees tomorrow I get told no. So I have to suffer while women can come in dress comfortably. Its bullshit I tell you. And when I say shorts I do mean somewhat respectable looking shorts, not boardies or stubbies or anything like that, I'm talking long past the knee length things that will just stop me sweating in the sun too much while I walk to work. Most of the time now I just get changed at work but I shouldn't have to. It should be the same rule for all not one rule for them and another for us.

[MLTZER]

If the James Bond movies have taught me anything its that you can never trust a female!

[popolopolous]

flamecondor, on Jan 11 2009, 11:01 PM, said:

I work in a call center, I wouldn't call it an office or anything but they want smart business wear most of the time. Now this rule seems to more or less apply on to men. Girls cane come in wearing T-Shirts and shorts, 3 quarter lengths whatever. But guys have to wear full length pants, smart business shirts and so on. I call bullshit on this, the official dress code they have at work says smart business dress for both, yet girls get let off. Every time I ask would I be able to wear shorts in cause its gonna be 37 degrees tomorrow I get told no. So I have to suffer while women can come in dress comfortably. Its bullshit I tell you. And when I say shorts I do mean somewhat respectable looking shorts, not boardies or stubbies or anything like that, I'm talking long past the knee length things that will just stop me sweating in the sun too much while I walk to work. Most of the time now I just get changed at work but I shouldn't have to. It should be the same rule for all not one rule for them and another for us.

This example reminds me of our annual cross-country tun at school. While girls have to do a lap of the 5k or so course, boys have to do the 1.5k lap of the school BEFORE running the course. But we get no extra time to run the course, we have to finish within the allotted time same as the girls. I'm not the fittest of people and I finished outside of the time (I think it was 25 minutes, I can walk/jog the course in under 20 but not the lap of the school as well in 5) and I got yelled at. 'Mrs O'Meara is an old lady and she managed to walk it in 25!' Yeah, but she didn't do A LAP OF THE SCHOOL first. So what, girls are so weak they can't do a lap of the school? Or boys are tougher therefore they can go faster for longer? It's stupid I tell you >_>

[djkizza]

LordZod, on Jan 11 2009, 10:51 PM, said:

(as Obs put it, I'm fairly sure we'd all rather a chick handling our foot long at Subway )

Speak for yourself!

LordZod, on Jan 11 2009, 10:51 PM, said:

Also, what about when you open the door for a lass, and they don't say thanks or smile or even say nothing at all, but look at you like "OMG I CAN OPEN MY OWN DOOR WE HAVE RIGHTS AND STUFF GTFO" and might even chuck in a rather harsh comment. Errr... Just trying to be nice... Righto...

I open the door for everyone, not just lass<s> and I've never had a GTFO look... Usually I get old ladies telling me my parents brought me up well...

MLTZER, on Jan 12 2009, 10:01 AM, said:

If the James Bond movies have taught me anything its that you can never trust a female!

They've taught me the only trustable people have one letter names, and even then be careful...

[PlasmaDavid]

MLTZER, on Jan 12 2009, 09:01 AM, said:

If the James Bond movies have taught me anything its that you can never trust a female!

Pfft, for me it was something more classical, ala the opera Carmen.

[santouras]

the biggest minority group in the world is the heterosexual white male. We can't say anything about anyone because that would make us racist homophobic chauvinists.

Political correctness and equal opportunities has gone too far the other way these days. Women demand an equal right in EVERYTHING, yet sometimes the feminist movement nicely forgets that there are just some things that men are better suited for. For instance, how many female bricklayers or carpenters do you see. Sure, you might say that this is because they would get rude comments at work, but also they simply, on the whole, are not cut out for demanding physical labour in the same way that men are. In the same light, men are not suited to some jobs that women excel at. Each sex is suited to different things, and its annoying when feminists want an equal slice of the pie..... but conveniently forget some parts.

[Etak]

santouras, on Jan 12 2009, 12:16 PM, said:

the biggest minority group in the world is the heterosexual white male.

I stopped reading at this piece of wrong.

It's only an "ism" if you make it one. Men think they are treated bad, femnazis think they are treated worse, straight men are upset they can't use the word "fab" anymore. Srsly, stop making yourselves victims just because you can.

[VOOK]

Etak, on Jan 12 2009, 12:33 PM, said:

I stopped reading at this piece of wrong.

It's only an "ism" if you make it one. Men think they are treated bad, femnazis think they are treated worse, straight men are upset they can't use the word "fab" anymore. Srsly, stop making yourselves victims just because you can.

Yep instead of reading your post I'm just going to say what I want anyway and criticize you. Brilliant idea.

"Srsly", his post raised valid problems with today's society - your're not a heterosexual white male so how would you know that it's wrong? Unless of course you.

[santouras]

thats a shame cause the next sentence shows your stupidity.

As an example, females can hold a pro female rally, men cannot because that shows them as being chauvanists.

Black people can hold a "WE'RE BLACK AND PROUD!!" rally, ever see white people do that? Of course not, they would get branded as aryan supremacists and part of the KKK

Gay people hold gay pride rallies all the time, wander around wearing next to nothing making sexually explicit gestures, media calls it a family friendly event, bring your kids. Seen hetero people act in the same way? Of course not, they'd get arrested for indecent exposure.

Society these days is too scared to come down on any minority group for fear of being called intolerant

[Etak]

But how is this a problem? Are you being persecuted because of it? OMG YOU CAN'T HOLD A RALLY OMG!!! (Well actually you can.) Why would you want to hold a rally? Can anyone here HONESTLY say they have been in a serious situation where they have been persecuted because you are a white male?

Gays and other groups hold rallies or protests when they are actually protesting something, and most of the time I think those protests are stupid too. What would white straight men protest? The only case I can think of where women will be given preference over men is in child custody cases, yet this is an incredibly touchy subject and involves INDIVIDUAL cases, not men as a group. If we were to take your theory, santouras, all women should get custody of children because that's their job lol!

And using the word "minority" incorrectly is fail.

[lexielab]

flamecondor, on Jan 12 2009, 01:01 AM, said:

I work in a call center, I wouldn't call it an office or anything but they want smart business wear most of the time. Now this rule seems to more or less apply on to men. Girls cane come in wearing T-Shirts and shorts, 3 quarter lengths whatever. But guys have to wear full length pants, smart business shirts and so on. I call bullshit on this, the official dress code they have at work says smart business dress for both, yet girls get let off. Every time I ask would I be able to wear shorts in cause its gonna be 37 degrees tomorrow I get told no. So I have to suffer while women can come in dress comfortably. Its bullshit I tell you. And when I say shorts I do mean somewhat respectable looking shorts, not boardies or stubbies or anything like that, I'm talking long past the knee length things that will just stop me sweating in the sun too much while I walk to work. Most of the time now I just get changed at work but I shouldn't have to. It should be the same rule for all not one rule for them and another for us.

The whole men should wear a suit/formal wear to work thing is absolutely ridiculous in the Australian climate. Women do get off easier because formal/semi formal/neat casual wear for women is much more varied and climate friendly than men's wear. Of course a dress code (in effect) for one gender only is grossly unfair.

However, there is often an expectation that women need to wear make-up to work to be respectable. Also buying sensible, comfortable and attractive shoes that are suitable for the workplace can be challenging at times, though this is getting better.

stuart said:

This may seem sexist, but the society seems to still believe that women are the fairer sex and thus they be treated as such when it comes to how they're treated by men and compared to men.

Man and woman who are equally skilled but the man gets the job? DESCRIMINATION.

Woman hits a man, no big fuss. Man hits a woman, F*CKING WIFE BASHER TIME FOR COURT.

It's things like this that piss me off, some women want to be treated exactly like men but want all the shitty bits we have to put up with left out.

If a man and woman are equally skilled for the job, it isn't discrimination either way whoever ends up with the job. There are a lot of whingers out there that moan "discrimination", but they're kidding themselves. Just ignore them like all the other rational people out there.

As far as violence goes, men do tend to be more the aggressors than the victims, though this is not true all the time. However, if you look up some statistics on the issue, only 1/3 of women that experience "physical assault by a male perpetrator" report it to the police, and 1/5 of women that experience sexual assault. Even fewer of these cases proceed to court. Certainly, "man hits a woman" is not going to go very far.

Measuring domestic violence and sexual assault against women: a review of the literature and statistics

[VOOK]

Etak, on Jan 12 2009, 01:00 PM, said:

But how is this a problem? Are you being persecuted because of it? OMG YOU CAN'T HOLD A RALLY OMG!!! (Well actually you can.) Why would you want to hold a rally? Can anyone here HONESTLY say they have been in a serious situation where they have been persecuted because you are a white male?

Kevin Rudd recently gave out bonuses to disabled people and their carers, pensions and single parents and/or parents. What about the people who are single, young, male or female who work their ass off - where is our bonus? Sure they might NEED the money more then us, but those people are more likely rather then spend it are going to sit on it or pay off debts and not contribute to the economy as intended.

Your second paragraph, it makes no sense either.

[Etak]

I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything?

And FTR, I got the bonus!

[railspider]

VOOK, on Jan 12 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Kevin Rudd recently gave out bonuses to disabled people and their carers, pensions and single parents and/or parents. What about the people who are single, young, male or female who work their ass off - where is our bonus? Sure they might NEED the money more then us, but those people are more likely rather then spend it are going to sit on it or pay off debts and not contribute to the economy as intended.

Your second paragraph, it makes no sense either.

Dammit VOOK, I had a good reply ready for you and you went and stealth edited your post.

Also, statistics show that the groups that received the bonus are more likely going to spend it than the young workforce who didn't get a payout. Plus, to be honest, while the money would've been nice - did you honestly need it as much as say a single mother who's lost her savings in the stock market; or a disabled person who relies on a carer to make their life bearable?

[MLTZER]

off topic: the bonus should of been distributed as tax cuts upto 'x' amount on our pay...

[santouras]

Etak, on Jan 12 2009, 03:00 PM, said:

But how is this a problem? Are you being persecuted because of it? OMG YOU CAN'T HOLD A RALLY OMG!!! (Well actually you can.) Why would you want to hold a rally? Can anyone here HONESTLY say they have been in a serious situation where they have been persecuted because you are a white male?

Gays and other groups hold rallies or protests when they are actually protesting something, and most of the time I think those protests are stupid too. What would white straight men protest? The only case I can think of where women will be given preference over men is in child custody cases, yet this is an incredibly touchy subject and involves INDIVIDUAL cases, not men as a group. If we were to take your theory, santouras, all women should get custody of children because that's their job lol!

And using the word "minority" incorrectly is fail.

The point of the matter is that gays/blacks/females can also speak openly about their opposites without serious eyebrow raising going on. Mugabe once told Tony Blair to keep "his little pink nose" out of their business. Imagine if bush/blair/rudd/etc said something in reverse? There'd be riots!

Look at shows like QE, where gays openly bash straight people for their lack of style, inability to properly groom themselves and the like. Read a forum like neogayf where the gays openly and brazenly pollute threads with homosexual innuendo's, but if a straight person says something of equal scorn in the other direction, they are bashed for being a homophobe and most likely banned.

Look at shows like The View which vocally promote feminist ideals to point of making me feel physically ill. It's absolutely disgusting

And yes also Etak, most children do end up in the custody of the female, even when they clearly aren't fit to raise the children, or haven't you seen those male groups fighting for fairer custody rights?

And yes, using the term "minority" in this context is a massive amount of irony, and if you couldn't pick up on this, well then its pretty obvious that we can't have a reasonable conversation on this topic.

[popolopolous]

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However, there is often an expectation that women need to wear make-up to work to be respectable. Also buying sensible, comfortable and attractive shoes that are suitable for the workplace can be challenging at times, though this is getting better.

I giggled after reading this paragraph. You can't honestly say that women are at a disadvantage in this regard - men have to find sensible, comfortable and attractive shoes that are suitable for the workplace as well. And in terms of the make-up, yes men don't wear makeup but it is considered we need to be clean-shaven to be respectable.

[railspider]

MLTZER, on Jan 12 2009, 03:12 PM, said:

off topic: the bonus should of been distributed as tax cuts upto 'x' amount on our pay...

Wouldn't have achieved the desired result. But this is for another topics...